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Does segregation hurt Detroit's reputation?

Do you believe Detroit's reputation is hurt by being the most segregated metro area in the U.S.?

Yes 68% This poll has closed but your feedback is still welcome
No 31%

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Posted: Mon. Jan. 21, 2002 at 7:38 PM
From: george mihelich
City: miami, fl
E-mail: algorecheats@hotmail.com
Subject: Segregation_reputation
Comments: what is over-looked in the segregation issue is the realative racial harmony detroit enjoys versus other city's i have lived in. one only needs to vist georgia,maryland, or florida and there is blatent racism everywhere.

growing up on the eastside of detroit and being white i always thought that racism was something from the past made popular in movies and the media. i was appaled at the mentallity of people i have met in other cities for example the black and white hatred in annapolis maryland is the most extreme i have ever seen.

i am proud that i was raised in a predominantly black city and was never subject to this kind of ingnorant behavior. racism is a disease of ingnorance and it will continue to scare our cities untill all americans as a people of tolerance and peace will not tolerate this tragedy of behavior that has become part of the american culture rather than our embaressment.


Posted: Mon. Jan. 21, 2002 at 5:21 PM
From: anthony barkley
City: sierra vista, az
E-mail: avbarkley@hotmail.com
Subject: Segregation_reputation
Comments: i do agree that segregation hurts the detroit area. i am a native detroiter and to know that this is still going on after so many years hurts me alot.

i have to admit that i have never had problems with individual whites when i grew up. however, the dividing lines were very clear in the southwest detroit area of my youth. you just didnt go into melvindale,lincoln park,wyandotte, or dearborn without a good reason. that usually meant DONT be there unless you were there on business or shopping.

i was in close proximity to whites but it seemed as if our worlds were light years apart. the most amazing thing is that i didnt realize the racial divide was so bad until i went into the army. the strange thing is that my parents went to school with whites during their youth in my same detroit neighborhood and they never had any problems that i know of. it was just normal to them.

i know the riots and coleman youngs election to mayor may have exacerbated tensions in the detroit area, but, for this problem to linger so long is simply ridiculous. young is dead and detroit hasnt had riots in 34 years. i hope things will one day improve.

as for me, i now live in southern arizona which is one of least segregated places in america. my white wife is a native michigander from the frankenmuth-birch run area and we have decided that this is the best place to raise our son. people live very harmoniously here regardless of race. and although i have fond memories and a deep love for the detroit metro area i dont think i could ever live there again.

ANTHONY BARKLEY


Posted: Mon. Jan. 21, 2002 at 4:44 PM
From: S. Roehm
City: St.Clair Shores, Mi
Subject: Segregation_reputation
Comments: To blame segregation for the ills of Detroit is a red herrring and the News Reporters writing the series are skirting some important issues by relying on the social engieers.The latter and probably politicians don't set an example by moving into the city.

Let people live where they want,racially mixed or otherwise.We moved from the city in 1957 because that was the thing to do for young couples who could afford it,at that time the city was mostly white.Only after the 1967 riots whites,young and old started to leave in droves and nobody should wonder why!!

The Leadership of Detroit in past decades tried to revive the city with dowtown projects and now with stadiums ,casinos etc.,well,unless the neighborhoods , streets,services are brought up to the Worldclass standards (touted by Ex-Mayor Archer)the city will not get ahead.

Another big problem is the race baitng and blame game by the black leadership for all sorts ills in the community .Don't blame whites for the family breakdowns,crime and run down neighborhoods,the city had now for decades black leadership?

In reading these articles in the series one can get the impression that unless there is integration in housing and in the student body to a great degree, blacks are left behind,that would be a rather sad admission.


Posted: Mon. Jan. 21, 2002 at 4:27 PM
From: MARGARET THOMPSON
City: WARREN, MI
E-mail: MT59_2000_2000@YAHOO.COM
Subject: Segregation_reputation
Comments: I BELIEVE THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THE DETROIT COMMUNITIES IS THE LACK OF PRIDE AND THE FURTHER NEGLECT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS. IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BLOCK COMMITTIES AND NEIGHBORHOOD INVOLVEMENT - YOU CAN SEE THE EVIDENCE OF PRIDE.

FURTHER - THE LACK OF PROPER CITY SERVICES IS FURTHER EVIDENCE OF BLIGHT. IN NO OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT I KNOW OF - ARE CITIZENS ALLOWED TO JUST DUMP TRASH HAPHAZARDLY IN FRONT OF THEIR HOMES AND EXPECT THE CITY TRASH COLLECTORS TO CLEAN IT UP. HOMEOWNERS NEED TO BE FINED IF IT IS EVIDENT THAT THEY ARE NOT MAINTAINING THEIR HOMES PROPERLY.

IN ADDITION, IN SO FAR AS EDUCATION GOES, WHEN PARENTS BECOME INVOLVED - CHANGES BECOME APPARENT. WHAT RESPONSIBLE PARENT WOULD SIT DOWN AND NOT TAKE SOME ACTION TO HELP PROMOTE CHANGES IN THE SCHOOLS THEIR CHILDREN ATTEND. PARENTS MUST BE PRO-ACTIVE AND KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THESE SCHOOLS - RATHER THAN TAKE THE APPROACH THAT SOMEONE ELSE WILL DO IT. TO OFTEN - YOU PARENTS ARE NOT HEARD FROM UNLESS THERE ARE PROBLEMS AND OFTEN IT IS TO LITTLE TO LATE.


Posted: Mon. Jan. 21, 2002 at 1:54 PM
From: Lisa Smith
City: macomb, MI
Subject: Segregation_reputation
Comments: I read all the comments. Blacks blame "white flight." Whites blame "black attitudes & actions." So much time is spent on pointing a finger in the other direction, it is disgusting. Any fool can point a finger.

I'd like to hear from someone who can offer direction on solving the problems. I personally just feel that black or white, we are all on the same team so let's start acting like it and quit pointing fingers. That gets us nowhere.


Posted: Mon. Jan. 21, 2002 at 1:52 PM
From: r glowacki
City: sterlinghgts, mi
E-mail: mglowacki6@home
Subject: Segregation_reputation
Comments: I lived in hamtramck when it was Polish. Don't make this a black/white issue, people want to live with those like themselves, just like Arabs in dearborn, Pakastanis in Hamtramck. Your making way to much out of this and creating animosity between two races, stop this type of reporting we don't need more problems.


Posted: Mon. Jan. 21, 2002 at 12 :28 PM
From: Dan
City: Groose Ile, MI
Subject: Segregation_reputation
Comments: Thank you WDIV and The Detroit News for your hideous "special report" on segregation. You make this sound like 1950's Alabama. Reports like this from the liberal left do nothing but stir up racial tensions that otherwise would not exist.

Racisim would be marginalized if the media would stop creating it and fanning it's evil flames. People will live where they want and/or can afford.
/rant


Posted: Mon. Jan. 21, 2002 at 9 :40 AM
From: G. Neroni
City: Clinton Township, MI
Subject: Segregation_reputation
Comments: By asking this question it only shows how out of touch you race baiters are. Please quit beating the race drum & let us all get along. Detroit because of it's crime & sensless violence is known thougout the US for what it is. Just remember it's the only large city in the US without a shopping district.


Posted: Sun. Jan. 20, 2002 at 10:03 PM
From: Katrina M. Dixon
City: Detroit,
E-mail: kat4kids@aol.com
Subject: Segregation_reputation
Comments: It hurts from the focus of those wanting to move into a community that will enable a family to have variety of people for their children to grow up with or for themselves to interact with. We do recognize that even in Detroit there are pockets of neighborhoods with a mutltiple of races. I have to say I have lived in two communities since coming to Detroit in 1978 and both have been multiethnic.


Posted: Wed. Jan. 16, 2002 at 11:00 PM
From: David R. Robillard
City: Plymouth, Mi
E-mail: drobilla@ford.com
Subject: Segregation_reputation
Comments: Absolutley segregation has hurt Detroit and it continues to do so, but segregation in the Metro Detroit area is not solely based on color. We have always had communities that have been labeled as desirable or undesirable for reasons other than color. Oak Park and then Southfield were know as Jewish neighborhoods,Hamtramck was Polish and Taylor has been characterized as a "hillbilly" low income area. It is this type of profiling that has steered families to live where they do.

Most of the reasons are based on economics(housing costs and resale value) and education(quality of schools) but can be drastically affected by a lack of security(crime rates).

The real tragedy of Detroit is the death of the downtown shopping and business district. This has been blamed on race and on the development of suburban malls and many other issues but the bottom line is that once it started it didn't stop. The present perception is that Detroit is a city of crime, poverty and racial turmoil and that profile has crippled the city and hinders future development.The residents of the surrounding communities have divorced themselves from the city and feel that their future isn't tied to Detroit. They don't feel the need to support a dying urban area. Why downtown Detroit's fate should be so different than say downtown Chicago or even downtown Windsor is a mystery to me. I hope that your articles can shed some light on this very difficult subject. The future of this city and the metro area could very well depend on it.


Posted: Wed. Jan. 16, 2002 at 1:03 PM
From: Joseph T. Curley
City: Warren, Mi
E-mail: joetcurley@aol.cm
Subject: Segregation_reputation
Comments: Detroit is a city not a human being when you use a term like reputation it only confuses things. Like the movive whre they said if you build it they will come. Detroit's limitatons are material.People will support certain realities,not images. If we really visiable changes in the cisty nost just wishes and word games. Take down town for insstance, you can have a fewe nice things but they are spoiled by mix of decay that is between the nice things.And if you are there ast nlight say on the roof of Cobo Hall you feel a sense of danger.


Posted: Wed. Jan. 16, 2002 at 9 :23 AM
From: Thom Sullivan
City: Columbus, OH
Subject: Segregation_reputation
Comments: The big thing on Detroit is who's kidding who, it's crime! Whites flee the black crime areas. I lived in Warren MI. in the 1970's and we had nothing in way of crime as compaired to Detroit. I never even drove thru Detroit if I could help it, should one get a flat tire, or vehicle trouble your life is in danger. Today I by-pass Detroit thru I-275 and I-675 loop when I visit, it's a longer trip, but safer. Black areas always seem to have that crime trouble, even black areas here in Columbus, Ohio. That's why whites keep away and the areas get segregated.


Posted: Wed. Jan. 16, 2002 at 8 :03 AM
From: Eric Palmer
City: Detroit, MI
E-mail: elpalmer@prodigy.net
Subject: Segregation_reputation
Comments: I don't think Detroit's reputation is hurt just because it is segregated. There's nothing wrong with segregation. We are all different in ethnic and racial make up, but amongst each make up we have similarities. Why must it be a problem when the similarities are grouped together. I think Detroit's reputation has been hurt because the racist perception, that still exist in the world today, attempts to connect the city's problems of the last 50-60 years to the fact that the city's African American population has grown and, under Coleman Young, became one of the largest US major cities with the majority of the population African American. Business exodus and white flight started in the 1940's in Detroit. A time period when the African American population started to escalate. A time period when society and the establishment wanted nothing to do with the African American and considered them trouble.


Posted: Tue. Jan. 15, 2002 at 11:37 PM
From: Mr. M
City: River Rouge, MI
Subject: Segregation_reputation
Comments: Detroit's reputation isn't being hurt more than it already is by being considered the most segregated metro area. In the minds of many, it is still considered to be the most dangerous city in the country. Not really great for the reputation, but they're issues that the mayors of the region can attempt to confront together.

Now to comment on comments made in an earlier post. I believe it said something in regards to black colleges, black history museums, and groups like the NAACP. These organizations and institutions were established so that black people would have a chance to receive the education that their home states and public institutions denied. The NAACP came into existence to protect blacks from violence inflicted on them by whites throughout the country. The African-American museums were established for what was felt as an oversight by historians and other museums.

It would be easy to say that these institutions serve no further purpose, but that is totally untrue. The NAACP survives because racism survives. When a man can be dragged behind a truck in Texas and a band in Livonia can record racist music, there is still work to be done. Black colleges and universities survive, but no longer under that name. Historically black colleges and universities were established to educate black students(hence the name), students of all races now join them at these institutions(hispanic, asian, WHITE, etc.). African American history museums help to shed light onto more than just the highly noted blacks throughout history.

I've seen some post that state that Detroit has nothing to offer people that would like to move back into the city. First, if anyone wants to move back, do so. Someone stated that there's no mall or department store in the city. Personally, I feel that "white flight" is the culprit; the people with control of these businesses took their businesses with them to the suburbs, leaving the mostly black city's residents to try to establish these things with little or no money. We all know how far people with ideas and no money get and we know what they do to get it. So now we get to the present where the city has crime (just like every big city) where people are just trying to survive. No, I don't condone criminal activity for any reason, but I don't think that certain people (Kimberly) should assume that every black man is going to harm her due to events that occured years ago. If it's true, I feel very sorry. However, just remember where statements like that led in Detroit's past(1943, 1967). What would she assume if I, a black man, approached her? Probably, that I am a criminal. I would be insulted; I'm a college student at a black college (second behind my brother in our class) and I've never been arrested. Poor blacks aren't the only ones that commit crimes. Poor whites, poor hispanics, poor asians (not all of them work diligently in school) also rob, rape, and murder. Their moving into a city will decrease the quality of life just as quickly.

"Judge not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." We know who said that. Stereotypical thinking is the root of racism. The only way to determine a person's character is by their actions or their statements. Speak to people. That will bring Metro Detroit and the rest of the country closer to understanding each other and mark the death of segregation throughout the area.


Posted: Tue. Jan. 15, 2002 at 11:32 PM
From: John Beam
City: Lansing, MI
E-mail: yohannbiimu@yahoo.com
Subject: Segregation_reputation
Comments: I'm not sure if Detroit's reputation is hurt all that much, as I do not think people who live outside of Detroit give it much thought one way or another. Even politicians in Washington, DC needn't bother giving Michigan's largest city any consideration.

Why should they? I mean, 95% or more of the city is going to vote Democratic no matter who the candidate is, so it is essentially a one-party block. People who represent the Detroit area can help pass legislation that hurts their constituency, but whether they do or not doesn't matter. Their seats are safe for life.

For so long, the "Detroit" pro sports teams have been either playing outside the city limits, or have only attracted people from the suburbs, so that people do not really have very much attachment with these teams and the city.

One person was blaming Detroit's problems on the people moving out of the city? Well, cry me a river! If I were living someplace where I was awakened all hours of the night with either police or firefighter sirens going off, and nothing but news of bloodshed and mayhem, I'd move too! I'd be a fool not to.

Perhaps a measure of Detroit's irrelivancy to those outside of the city is due to the fact that nothing ever changes there. Crime, horrendous schools, more crime, putrid downtown area, and yet more crime has been the norm in Detroit for as long as I've been alive.

People who want to live in conditions like these are welcome to live there. It has nothing to do with whether people are trying to segrigate themselves. The facts are that Detroit is a terrible place to raise a family. If you do not care about raising a family in an atmosphere where your children can be relatively safe, and they can grow up to be contributing members of a civil society, then you will stay in your crime-ridden, uneducated, backward neighborhoods and watch everyone rot.

I cannot imagine living in such a place myself. It has nothing to do with people being black or white. It has everything to do with people living in fear. Why else would people feel like they have to live in reletively all-white and all-black neighborhoods? It is a fear borne out of ignorance and hate that drives a wedge between people.

Anyway, perhaps the "right" answer would be to say that Detroit's reputation is damaged by all of this, but I truly do not think people ever give the city of Detroit any thought one way or another. If the entire city were to collapse into the salt mines beneath it, nobody would miss it.


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