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Will segregation end on its
own?
 Do you think segregation in Metro Detroit will eventually
go away on its own, without the intervention of government, business
or other groups?

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- Posted: Tue. Jan. 22, 2002 at 1:02 PM
- From: Ian Sellers
- City: Rochester, MI
- E-mail: pavlov37@yahoo.com
- Subject: segregation_end
- Comments: I grew up in
Detroit and got to experience segregation and its effects
firsthand.
When I was five, my parents moved from Detroit to the suburbs
because they were white. My brother was beaten daily on the way
home from school by a gang of black kids - because he was white.
None of these parents did anything about it. They even threatened
my parents repeatedly. The police were of no help. Remember - this
was Coleman Young's time. White people were trash. White people
were bad. Basically, we moved out of Detroit because we were white
and were offered no relief for safety, even by the police
department.
You can complain all you want that you are black and have been
held down. You can complain about segregation all you want. The
facts are that people like my parents tried to live in the city
with blacks and were kicked out by them and the corrupt
administration known as the Coleman Young era.
If you want someone to blame for segregation in Detroit, look
no farther than Coleman Young and the anti-white rhetoric he
blasted out daily. He convinced blacks that they were better and
being held down. As a result, black people got the run of the
city. Why would any white person in their right mind stay there?
I like all people. I don't care who they are. I just wish
people would see that proclaiming that one race is better than
another causes the segregation that exists in Detroit
today.
- Posted: Tue. Jan. 22, 2002 at 10 :02 AM
- From: Philip LaRonge
- City: Warren, MI
- Subject: segregation_end
- Comments: I think the
Detroit News is using this series on segregation to push its own
pseudo-conservative claim that segregation is the problem (and one
that can be ameliorated by "free-market," i.e., agressively
capitalistic, forces). This is extremely disingenuous. Segregation
is simply a symptom. The real problem is prejudice and the racism
that prejudice brings about.
Racism is prejudice plus power. It was prejudice on the part of
White Metro Detroiters that caused them to insist that everything
be segregated. This caused their leaders to implement racist
discriminatory measures that have become institutionalized. Its
this institutional racism that is the central problem, not
segregation, which is simply one of racism's many manifestations.
Lets be frank. The last thing your average White homeowner
wants is people of color moving into his neighborhood in any
siginificant numbers.
Ths last thing your average White parent wants is his or her
child in a classroom--let alone a school--where non-White children
are present in more than token numbers.
In some suburbs, certain stores or restaurants are often
avoided because they attract what at least some White patrons
consider to be an excessive number of Black customers.
When their constituents express prejudice, civic and political
leaders try to keep their votes by implementing racist solutions.
Thus in Macomb County, new subdivisions go up twenty miles beyond
the Detroit city limits and are restricted to houses costing over
a certain amount. A Wayne County suburb tries to build a wall
along the boundary line between itself and the inner city. The
Oakland County Executive fights a very feasible rapid transit
proposal because county residents worry about "undesirables" from
Detroit proper getting jobs in "their" workplaces, shopping in
"their" stores, and, yes, living in "their" neignborhoods and
attending "their" schools.
Segregation can only be eliminated by fighting prejudice and
racism; and that's that. However, as long as the forces of
kleptocratic Republicanism prevail--nationally, in Michigan, and
in Metro Detroit--this region will remain the hypersegregated
mini-Dixie it is today. That's because the GOP needs the votes of
resentful white suburbanites to stay in business. People tend to
vote their prejudices, and those votes are worth a lot of money to
America's corporate elite. Never mind the fact that those votes
have turned Congress into a rogues' gallery and elevated a mildly
retarded movie actor, a parasitic Texas oilman-turned-politico,
and the latter's dull, corrupt son to the Presidency.
If you're not a part of a solution, you're part of the problem.
And the problem is prejudice and racism, not the segregation they
bring about. And it's a problem that's only going to get worse
until decent people get together and run the GOP out of of the
picture for good,
Sincerely, PL
Warren, MI
- Posted: Mon. Jan. 21, 2002 at 7:58 PM
- From: Jim Sterrit
- City: Williamston, MI
- E-mail: steritt@aol.com
- Subject: segregation_end
- Comments: The level of
ignorance about the facts of life are amazing. From reading some
of these posts from Washington D.C. you would think all you need
is a white face to be set for life. Just ask good old Dad for a
big interest free loan, just like that.
What a load of bs, the overwhelming majority of people who
start small businesses have to get a bank loan. You will need
collateral, a decent personal history, and a sound business plan.
What I find lacking from so many of these posts, is any
recognition of the importance of individual choices. People who
choose to have children out of wedlock, sell crack cocaine and
engage in other anti-social and destructive behaviors are making
choices. It can be blamed on others, but that is letting the
people engaged in such activities off too easy.
Blacks are going to have to deal with their own community
problems before they get anywhere. Running to the suburbs from
your own people is not the answer.
- Posted: Mon. Jan. 21, 2002 at 7:19 PM
- From: John Gianfermi
- City: Warren, mi
- Subject: segregation_end
- Comments: More and more
blacks are moving to the suburbs resulting in a natural
integration and from what I have observed, there has been very few
problems. It seems to me that when we have government and special
interest groups forcing the issue, people are more apt to put up
some resistence.
- Posted: Mon. Jan. 21, 2002 at 9 :57 AM
- From: G. Neroni
- City: Clinton township, MI
- Subject: segregation_end
- Comments: I have to
wonder how many of you Liberals live in Detroit or a "mixed"
nigherhood as I do ? Practice what you prech & send your
children to public schools, ya sure.
- Posted: Sun. Jan. 20, 2002 at 11:03 PM
- From: Katrina
- City: Detroit, MI
- Subject: segregation_end
- Comments: Segregation
will remain and even with government incentives much would remain
the same. Government incentives would include breaks on homes for
those people that are now at the GM building and UAW-GM HRD that
would prefer not to make that journey to Oakland county or any
other business that is invited by the city to build the economic
base.
For me the reality is that it is my choice to live in the city
of Detroit, I travel to the surburbs to work and am pleased always
to return to the city. Why? I don't have to make a long journey to
participate in any of the arts or theatre nor baseball and soon
football. I watch the cars come into the city on the weekend with
all the long lines I don't have to be in. I have always been
pleased with my neighbors and neighborhood. Ironically when we had
our house broke in it was not black but a white man that had
worked for us. (Remember summer time and the go in the front door
while you're in the backyard robbers of the surburbs in the
summer-think about it) When we make statements about living
conditions about someone moving into your community you show the
fear you have from ignorance. How sad some people are and I for
one would not want them for neighbors because you would not make
good neighbors. So just keep coming in town spend your money at
the whatever and make the journey back to the surburbs while I sit
on my porch and watch the boats on a warm summer day and not live
a stressed out life.
- Posted: Fri. Jan. 18, 2002 at 11 :41 AM
- From: Patricia A. Foster
- City: Detroit, mi
- E-mail: pdfoster@prodigy.net
- Subject: segregation_end
- Comments: Reading some
of these comments make me very sad, because there is no hope
indicated regarding segregation in Detroit neighbors. I'm sorry
but these are the types of attitudes that are generated to our
young generation.
I was raised and brought up on the west side of Detroit. The
question is that do Detroiters want to improve their communities.
I live near six mile and Wyoming area and there and there are a
lot of vacant store front property that is not kepted up. People
do not want to sell it or rent it out. Personally, if a black own
business opened up in the area and made me feel welcomed , I would
encourage others to go their. I just notice that most businesses
that are in operation in the Detroit area, their prices are higher
and they lack that "how are you glad to see and can I help you
attitude". Even at the fast food restuarants this attitude is
lacking. We all need to insist that we been treated in the manner
mentioned above and it also goes back to how that facility is
managed.
My daughter just moved to Chicago's downtown area. You can just
feel the vibes as you walk down the street people are glad to be
their and it is a diversed area. I can't stress this enough that
it is all about attitude. If feel negative about Detroit then
perhaps you just don't like the city, but all cities are what the
community and people make of it. And if you don't like the city
perhaps you can just keep your opinion to yourself in order to not
generate your negativity to others.
- Posted: Wed. Jan. 16, 2002 at 7:23 PM
- From: marilyn brown
- City: harbor city, ca
- Subject: segregation_end
- Comments: i graduated
from cass in jan 1956 and within 2 months moved to so. calif. i
have only returned to detroit 3 times in the last 45 years. my
remaining family left detroit in 1966 and also moved to calif.
i was there briefly in 1971 when my grandmother died and i
noticed that the city seemed to be so run down. it was hard for me
to understand why the burnt out buildings weren't torn down after
the riots but were left to be an eyesore. when i returned in 1976
i cried about the condition of the city where i was born.
last night i had a dream about detroit and the conditions. i
don't know why, maybe it's because i will be coming back this
spring. i know my heart aches for the city and the entire
metropolitian community.
i have lived in an ethnically diverse community for 29 years.
an area where houses are sold by blacks to whites and asians to
mexicans. where we have raised our kids together and now our
grandkids play together when they visit. it's also an area where
young black and white families move in and adult children want to
move back but they can't afford the prices.
the reputation of detroit is so bad that you don't even want to
say where you're from.
- Posted: Wed. Jan. 16, 2002 at 1:28 PM
- From: C. Clinton
- City: Detroit, MI
- Subject: segregation_end
- Comments: No, it won't
go away on its own or with anyone else's help. Having left the
city of Detroit (and the entire Midwest region) for my college
education and meaningful employment afterwards, I see that other
areas have progressed while Detroit has been looking from behind
the whole time. I don't see anything changing around this area
anytime soon because that unfortunately is how people are raised
and this thinking is rooted in them.
My family and friends always ask why don't I ever consider
moving back home. Ha! There isn't enough money on Earth to get me
to move back to Detroit, or its suburbs. The only thing that this
place has done for me is it has given me negative thoughts on
race. The last thing that I would ever want to do is to raise my
children (if and when I ever have any) in the same environment
that I came from.
That saying that says you shouldn't forget where you came from
applies here. I haven't. I just don't like to remember it.
- Posted: Wed. Jan. 16, 2002 at 11 :09 AM
- From: Josephine HUYGHE
- City: Detroit, MI
- Subject: segregation_end
- Comments: Although
Blacks provided centuries of free forced ‘slave labor’ as
carpenters, mechanics, blacksmiths, masons, house and field hands
— whatever and whenever— that helped build this nation— for
over 100 years after the Civil War they remained disenfrancised
and segregated from aspect ( social, educational and economic) of
American life.
Nothing changed without the revolts, resistance, legal
interventions, a civil war, strikes, marches. The freedoms most
immigrants take for granted today , especially the arrivals since
1952, resulted from the struggles, blood, sweat and tears of black
people demands for equal opportunities and respect. Our freedom
was not free.
- Posted: Wed. Jan. 16, 2002 at 10 :25 AM
- From: R. Cedar
- City: Center, MI
- E-mail: dittohead@dot.com
- Subject: segregation_end
- Comments: After reading
many of the posts on segregation over the last few days, it seems
clear we are light years away from a resolution of the problem. I
have always worked with black people, they are just like any other
human beings, some are bad, most are fine and decent people. I
don't believe that it is skin color or feelings of racial
superiority that makes whites reluctant to live in communities
where blacks are more than a small minority. Its simply concern
over the anti-social behaviors that make it so undesirable to live
in heavily black areas.
Without question there is a problem with the black underclass.
Poverty does not prevent anyone from picking up litter, mowing
their lawn or maintaining their home. If you have loud disruptive
activities, if crime rises when blacks become the majority in a
neighborhood, how can anyone expect that people of any color wish
to live that way?
I worked with some very fine black ladies who told me what they
paid for car insurance in the City of Detroit. How they had to
keep their cars in the garage to keep them from being stolen at
night. How they had to worry about the burglar bars on their
windows trapping them in a fire. There are many things, like lack
of economic power that may be out of the control of the black
majority in the City of Detroit. But the problems of anti-social
attitudes and behaviors are surely something that CAN and SHOULD
be a self help project.
Until that happens, talk about ending separate living areas is
just a pipe dream.
- Posted: Wed. Jan. 16, 2002 at 8 :32 AM
- From: Eric Palmer
- City: Detroit, MI
- E-mail: elpalmer@prodigy.net
- Subject: segregation_end
- Comments: Why should
anyone have to force segragation to end? There's nothing wrong
with being amongst those that you are similar to and comfortable
with. What needs to end and what needs to be forced to end is the
restriction of allowance because of "forced" segragation and
misunderstanding of diversity amongst similarities. It is possible
for similar people to still have some differences that may be
similar to "other thans."
- Posted: Tue. Jan. 15, 2002 at 8:54 PM
- From: Tamar Richardson
- City: Lathrup Village, MI
- E-mail: cookiet@earthlink.net
- Subject: segregation_end
- Comments: I believe
that segregation is as American as baseball and apple pie. I also
believe that American's have gotten so comfortable with it that we
don't always recognize it. White's often feel that Black's are
happy and content with lesser jobs and pay. White's often think
Black's don't strive for the best education, jobs, etc. Many
Blacks have struggled for so long only to make two steps forward
and three backward. One of the biggest problems is the negative,
one sided view painted by all forms of the MEDIA!
- Posted: Tue. Jan. 15, 2002 at 2:42 PM
- From: Pradeep Srivastava
- City: Detroit, MI
- E-mail: pradeepscool@hotmail.com
- Subject: segregation_end
- Comments: Segregation
will never go away completely because that would require a change
of heart that would never happen, at a large scale. However, there
is a great deal that governemnts and businesses can do to minimize
it. Government can provide incentives to businesses and
individuals to stay in urban areas and disincentives to move to
suburbs and exurbs.This will not only address the segregation
issue, but also, help alleviate sprawl.
- Posted: Tue. Jan. 15, 2002 at 12 :15 PM
- From: Jim Sterrit
- City: Williamston, MI
- Subject: segregation_end
- Comments: I grew up on
the West side in a blue collar community, mostly auto workers. The
residents took pride in their homes, the streets were clean, quiet
and safe. When blacks began to move in, my parents stayed put,
they were stubborn people and owned the home.
Within 20 years the place had become a hellhole of crime, filth
and neglect. When homes became vacant they were torched. My
widowed mother was forced to move out in 1975, she could not live
there alone. She got $4,000 for our old family home. That is a
bitter lesson that will never be repeated if I have anything to
say about it.
Blacks should ask themselves why this happens when they become
the majority in a neighborhood. Skin color is a bs excuse, my next
door neighbor from India is very dark skinned. I value him because
he is a quiet, peaceful man, whose children are well behaved,
strive in school and he maintains his home. Its not racist to want
to live that way, its called self preservation.
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